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que de rumeurs en ce moment, un manufacturier chinois Patriot Aigo aurait l'intention de sortir un rflex numérique en monture Leica M.

endgadget à l'origine de la rumeur l'a illustré ainsi:
patriot-aigo.jpg


or il s'agit d'un Pentax MZ-D de 2001 6Mp full-frame rebadgé.

sauf que le tirage mécanique d'une monture M interdit l'utilisation d'un miroir de reflex (j'ai bien dis M et pas visoflex :zen: ) peu être un télémetrique numérique ... les chinois font bien des chambres photos de très belle facture :zen:
 
et puis comme il indique l'architecture du M8 est conçu pour être upgradable, y compris le capteur et l'électronique de traitement qui va avec ;)
 
au programme:

_un télémétrique numérique moins cher que le M8
_un reflex numérique R 10 au capteur 24x36
_un Dlux-4 (très certainement le clone du Panasonic LX3)
_un M9 en 2009 au capteur 24x36
_un compact numérique façon CM

apparemment Leica abandonne le format 3/4.
Leica n'est pas non plus de l'aventure micro 3/4.
 
les seules choses certaines sont l'abandon du format 3/4 et le fait que Leica doive augmenter ses ventes.

par conséquent:
_ un M moins cher -> oui mais si ça doit impacter les vente de M8 ça n'a pas d'intérêt (sauf si le M9 en format 24x36 sort bientôt)
_ un compact façon CM -> une bonne solution mais se pose le problème du capteur utilisé, si c'est un petit capteur autant rebadger le Panasonic LX3. si c'est un capteur plus gros ça demande pas mal de développements et le prix sera bien plus élevé.
_ un reflex numérique R10 au format 24x36 -> gros avantage le parce optique existe, il y a plusieurs fournisseurs de capteurs mais il faut développer un reflex rapide (la lenteur ne sera pardonnée).
 
sauf que la gamme c'est 35 % du CA de leica et la gamme R des miettes, Leica gagne plus avec leurs jumelles qu'avec la gamme R :zen:
 
justement Mackie, soit tu fais disparaître la gamme, soit tu t'arranges pour qu'elle te rapporte plus.

je dirai disparition vu le dernier rapport financier de leica

1. Development of business
Economic environment
Photo
In 2007, the global photo cameras market has grown as com-
pared to 2006, reaching a new record high of 138 million
units. This corresponds to a 10% increase on the previous
year. 126 million of these cameras were digital ones. This
number includes 7 million digital SLR (DSLR) cameras, up
from 5.2 million in the previous year. On average 1.5 inter-
changeable lenses were purchased per DSLR. However, vol -
ume growth is accompanied by an erosion of purchase price
levels by 15%. (Sources: GfK, Photoindustrieverband, CIPA)
The Leica Camera Group has registered 25.8% growth
in its digital compact camera business, and thus has grown
significantly faster than the market –keeping selling prices
stable nonetheless. For the first time the Company succeeded
in selling well above 100,000 units of a digital still camera
model – the LEICA D-LUX 3 – in a single product life cycle.
The digital rangefinder system camera LEICA M8, newly
presented at the 2006 photokina trade fair, has been very
well received by the market and made a decisive contribution
to the sales expansion registered by the Leica Camera Group
in the period under review. This camera dominated the range-
finder camera market segment both in terms of units sold and
in terms of value and was head and shoulders above the com
-
petition, also as concerns worldwide product communications.
Moreover, this camera, Leica’s first digital rangefinder model,
strengthened the demand for interchangeable lenses with a
Leica M bayonet and thus enabled the Company to boost its
sales of M lenses by 118.6% of the previous year’s volume
and, in addition, to generate orders for the following fiscal
year. The new Summarit lens family significantly contributed
to the increase in volume. Leica Summarit lenses employ
classic, spherical lens designs and may thus be offered at
attractive prices, thereby considerably strengthening Leica’s
competitive position. Together with the Summarit lenses Leica
Camera Group has introduced new, highly productive manu-
facturing methods allowing for shorter throughput times and
higher yield; the other parts of the Company’s range of lenses
also benefit from the new methods.
Towards the end of the reporting period dampening
effects of the US subprime crisis and the Dollar weakness
were beginning to make themselves felt in the North Ameri-
can sales.

les numériques c'est 1/3 du CA de leica, la gamme M c'est 1/3 (grosse poussé des ventes d'objectif M ! ) et le reste c'est les jumelles et des miettes pour la gamme R :zen:
 
OK vu les prix de la gamme optique R (j'avoue que je n'y avais jamais jeté un oeil :afraid:)
Ce sont à peu près les mêmes que ceux de la gamme M. Sauf que les focales disponibles sont plus étendues (cela va du 15 au 800 mm). Il y a des optiques exceptionnelles en R. Elles s'en sortent très bien en numérique, même pour des modèles de conception relativement ancienne.
 
en voici la fiche technique complète:

Specifications LEICA M8 (LEICA M8.2)

Camera type: Compact digital camera viewfinder system for professional use
with Leica M lenses. Microprocessors-controlled metal blade focal plane shutter.

Image sensors: Low-noise CCD sensor specially optimized for the requirements of
the M lens system. Pixels: 10.3 million. Dimensions: 18 mm x 27 mm. Extension
factor: 1.33 x. Aspect ratio 3:2. Coverglass thickness 0.5 mm, complete suppression
of infrared light by additional UV / IR filter. Moiré filter: no, but full
exploitation of the lens capabilities by Moiré fringe detection and elimination
by digital signal processing.

Sensor speed range: Manual setting from ISO 160/23 ° to ISO 2500/35 °
LEICA M8.2: additional automatic setting with free choice of ISO range.

Viewfinder
Viewfinder principle: Large bright-line frame viewfinder with automatic parallax
compensation. Viewfinder optics with reduced sensitivity to stray light and
optimum visibility of the bright-line frame in all lighting situations

Eyepiece: Matched to-0.5dpt. Correction lenses from -3 to +3 dpt
available.

Image framing: By display of two bright-line frames at a time: for 24 and 35 mm;
or for 28 and 90 mm, or for 50 and 75 mm. Display selection automatically matches
the lens in use. 100% of the sensor format is covered at 0.7 m (LEICA M8.2: 2 m)

Frame selector: Displays pairs of frames manually to simulate any focal length

Parallax
compensation: The horizontal and vertical difference between viewfinder and lens
is compensated appropriately for the focus setting, ie the bright-line frame of
the viewfinder automatically coincides with the subject area as seen from the
lens.

Magnification: 0.68 x (for all lenses).

Wide-base Combination of split-and superimposed-image rangefinder
rangefinder: shown as a bright field in the center of the viewfinder image.
Effective base measuring 47.1 mm (mechanical measuring base 69.25mm x viewfinder
Magnification 0.68 x).

Lenser
Lens mount: Leica M bayonet with additional optical sensing for the identification of
all 6-bit coded lenses.

Lens system: Current 6-bit coded Leica M lenses of 16 - 90 mm focal length.
All Leica M lenses of 21 - 90 mm focal length produced since the year 1954 can be
used, even if lacking the 6-bit coding. Virtually all lenses can be retrofitted
with 6-bit coding.

6-bit functions: Lens-dependent reduction of edge shadowing originating in the
system. Identification of the lens information within the image file to
facilitate digital archiving. Adjustment of the flash reflectors when using engine
zoom flash devices. Auto slow sync. function in aperture priority mode.
Compensation of color shifts through the use of UV / IR filters.


Exposure control
Aperture priority mode
(Auto): Automatic determination of the correct shutter speed with manual aperture
pre-selection and corresponding viewfinder display.

Manual exposure
control: Free selection of shutter speed and aperture - can be visually checked
using the exposure control in the camera seen by LED light in the balance
viewfinder.

(Snapshot mode: "S" setting of shutter speed dial = automatic control of exposure
time, ISO speed and white balance. Menus reduced to essential functions, hints on
aperture and focus settings are displayed when the Info key is pressed.

Picture modes
S Single picture, pressing the shutter release once per picture
C Continuous succession of pictures with 2 pictures per second and 10 pictures in
the sequence.

Auto-release: Selectable with 2sec. and 12sec. delay time - visualization of the
countdown by an LED visible from the front of the camera in the viewfinder
window.

Controls / displays

Camera front: Lens mount; frame selector

Top: Main switch (more pronounced detent mechanism to prevent inadvertent
switching) and shutter release; shutter speed dial, LCD status display: display
of remaining exposures and battery capacity.

Back: 2.5 "color monitor (scratch-resistant sapphire coverglass), dial for
navigation in the menu & magnifier function in 4 steps; 4-way direction pad for
navigation in the menu & in picture details; menu button; play button; delete
button; protect button; info button

Base: Lockable base plate protects the rechargeable battery and the SD memory
card against dust and moisture.

Color monitor 2.5 "large bright LCD display with a resolution of about 230000
pixels for viewing pictures and the menu settings (scratch-resistant sapphire
coverglass). Brightness control in 5 stages. Checking options after taking the
picture: general quality assessment, checking the exposure by means of a RGB
tonal value histogram with identification of bright picture areas lacking detail
(can also be used when zooming in), checking the focal plane, display of the
quality parameter settings and the focal length of the lens (when used with
current 6-bit coded lenses)

Picture view sizes: 9 miniatures, 4 miniatures, full picture display and
enlargement in four stages up to 100% view (1 sensor pixel = 1 display pixel).

Picture parameter menu - main menu

By pressing the button set, the following parameters relevant to the picture can
be selected and changed in the picture parameter menu: user profile, sensor
speed, manual exposure correction, white balance, image data format, picture
resolution.

By pressing the menu button, parameters such as the color monitor contrast or the
color space can be set in the main menu.

Menu languages: German, English, French, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Chinese.

Picture resolutions: DNG: 3916 x 2634 pixels (10.31 MP); JPG: 3936 x 2630
pixels (10.35 MP), 2952 x 1972 pixels (5.8 MP), 1968 x 1315 pixels (2.6 MP), 1312
x 876 pixels (1.15 MP).

Data formats: DNG ™ (camera manufacturer-independent digital negative format), 2
different JPEG compression rates

DNG file ™ 16-bit color resolution, 10.2 MByte file size per picture
information:

Memory media: SD and Mini SD cards up to 32 GByte
Complete list of LEICA M8-and M8.2-compatible SD memory cards: www.leica -
camera.de/photography/m_system/m8

White balance: Automatic, 6 preset values, manual white balance, color
temperature input from 2000K to 13.100 K.

Color spaces: Adobe RGB, sRGB, ECI RGB.

Viewfinder display: (at the bottom edge of the viewfinder)
LED symbol for flash status, four-digit seven-segment LED display with dots above
and below (display brightness is always adjusted to ambient brightness) for:
display of the automatically calculated shutter speed in aperture priority mode,
indication of the use of saved metering values, warning of exposure corrections,
warning of when the metering range is overshot or undershot in aperture priority
mode and countdown display of shutter times longer than 2 sec., memory capacity
warning when the SD card is full.

LED light balance with two triangular and one central circular LED for the manual
exposure setting.
Display of: underexposure by at least one aperture stop; underexposure by 1 / 2
aperture stop; correct exposure; overexposure by 1 / 2 aperture stop;
overexposure by at least one aperture stop.

Triangular LEDs give the direction of rotation of the aperture setting ring and
shutter speed setting dial to adjust the exposure. The LED flashes as a warning
that the metering range is overshot or undershot.
(In "S" mode: red dot to indicate correct exposure, left arrow to warn against
camera shake, right arrow to warn against overexposure)

Exposure metering: Heavily center-weighted TTL exposure metering with pre -
set working aperture.

Metering principle: Light reflected from a white strip in the centre of the metal
blade focal plane shutter.

Metering range: EV0 to EV20 at 20 ° C room temperature, 1.0 aperture and ISO
160/23 °.

Metering cell: Silicon photodiode with collection lens positioned at the center
of the lower edge of the camera base.

Flash exposure metering / control using M-TTL flash technology

Principle: Using an extremely short calibration pre-flash fired immediately
before the exposure, the exact power requirement for the main flash is
determined.

Connection: M-TTL guide number control with calibration pre-flash at
accessory shoe SCA 3502 (version M4) or with Leica flash SF24D

Flash synchronization
time: 1 / 250 sec. (1 / 180 sec.) Synchronization permits creative open aperture
photography even in bright ambient light.

Manual: Flash synchronization times from B (bulb) down to 1 / 250 sec. (1 / 180 sec.)

Aperture priority mode: Auto Slow Sync: automatic extension of the longest flash
time, using the rule of thumb 1/focal length in seconds. (only with 6-bit coded
lenses). Choice of long flash synchronization times up to I 1 / 8 sec. for
balanced flash when taking pictures in available light aperture priority mode.

Synchronization Firing optionally at the 1st or 2nd shutter point (with
flash firing time: appropriate flash device such as the LEICA SF24D or when using
the SCA-3502 adapter).

Flash exposure ± 3 1 / 3 EV in 1 / 3 EV stages adjustable at the SCA -
correction: 3501/3502 adapter. Settable at the LEICA SF 24D ± 3EV in 1 / 3
EV stages, or from 0 to -3 EV in 1EV stages when using computer control.


Shutter and shutter release

Shutter: Microprocessors-controlled metal blade focal plane shutter with vertical
action (optimized to reduce noise and vibration).

Shutter times: In aperture priority mode (A) steplessly adjustable from 32 s down
to 1 / 8000 s (1 / 4000 s). With manual setting from 4 s down to 1 / 8000 s (1 / 4000 s)
in half steps. B for long exposures of any length.


Activation: Shutter activation optimized for a minimum of noise. Electric motor
drive with friction wheel in the first speed build-up stage and a cam disk for
homogenous torque throughout the activation process (time-delayed after cocking
shutter button is released, selectable in menu).

Release: Three-stage activation governed by how far the release is
depressed: 1. Switch the camera electronics on & activate the exposure metering --
2. Save metered value (in aperture priority mode) - 3. Release (includes a
standard thread for the cable release)

Power supply: Lithium ion rechargeable battery with a nominal voltage of 3.7 V
and a capacity of 1900mAh.

Interface: 5-pin standard mini-USB socket on the left side of the body, for quick
USB 2.0 data transfer to a computer.

Camera body

Material: Enclosed all-metal body of highly stable magnesium alloy for
professional use over many years. Black synthetic leather coating. Top cap and
base plate are milled from solid brass and are silver or black chromium plated
(black paint finished).

Tripod thread: DIN4503 - A1 / 4 (1 / 4 ") in the centre of the bottom cover.

Size (W H x x D): 138.6 mm x 80.2 mm x 36.9 mm

Weight without battery: approx. 545 g

Scope of supply: M8 camera (10702 silver or black 10701),
M8.2 camera (10712 silver or black 10711),
anti-slip carrying strap (14 312), camera cap for the M bayonet (14 195),
rechargeable lithium ion battery (14 464), battery charger incl car socket
adaptor and 3 mains plug adapters (Euro, UK, USA) (14 463), (compact charger with
80% charge display, car socket and EURO / USA mains leads), USB connection cable,
user manual, software DVD Capture One 4, warranty card.
 
Je trouverai suicidaire de la part de Leica de sortir un appareil télémétrique qui ne soit pas en capteur 24x36...
A l'heure des D3, D700, futur SONY et Canon en 24x36.... Pour des sommes nettement moins élevées qu'un M8 qui peine avec son "vieux" capteur CCD 10mp

OK on parle d'appareil à la conception et la philosophie très différentes, mais aujourd'hui, je suis loin d'être prêt à larguer 5000 euros pour un capteur APS-C.
Je rêve d'un télémétrique, le miens coûtera aux alentour de 500 euros et shootera avec de la bonne péloche !

Le numérique est parfait pour les reflex auxquels on demande d'être rapide et efficace. Pour créer et voyager, la péloche et un petit télémétrique sont 100 fois plus plaisants (à mon goût)
 
Je trouverai suicidaire de la part de Leica de sortir un appareil télémétrique qui ne soit pas en capteur 24x36...
A l'heure des D3, D700, futur SONY et Canon en 24x36.... Pour des sommes nettement moins élevées qu'un M8 qui peine avec son "vieux" capteur CCD 10mp
Tout à fait !
Surtout pour les Mistes, conservateurs (pas dans le mauvais sens du terme) et attachés à leur quelques focales fixes habituelles.
En tout cas, aujourd'hui, aucune hésitation pour moi entre un D700 et un M8 : D700, pour la réutilisation de son parc optique argentique et pour la qualité d'image en haute sensibiliré (pérénité et utilisation en available light... l'essence du M quoi :D ).
 
Je trouverai suicidaire de la part de Leica de sortir un appareil télémétrique qui ne soit pas en capteur 24x36...
Ce serait surtout suicidaire de sortir un appareil qui sort de mauvaises photos :rateau: Ce serait actuellement le cas avec un capteur 24x36, la distance ente le capteur et l'optique étant très faible en M. Ce n'est pas le cas en R.

Notez quand même que le capteur actuel n'est pas un APS-C (25,1 x 16,7 mm, vient du format APS) mais un capteur de 27 x 18 mm (facteur de conversion : 1,33x ). Cela se rapproche plus, au niveau de la dimension, d'un APS-H (Canon EOS 1D : 1,3x). Au-delà de cette histoire de taille, ce capteur n'est pas vraiment à la traîne. Certes, on ne va pas monter en sensibilité comme avec un Nikon dernier cri mais on peut sortir d'excellentes images (avec le capteur du DMR aussi, même si on est encore plus limité en sensibilité). Les CCD Kodak montés sur les Leica M8 et DMR sont bons.

Quoi qu'il en soit, je pense qu'un M8 se compare à un télémétrique, argentique ou numérique, mais difficilement à un reflex.